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Dave1
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I think I read elsewhere on the forum that this wasn’t possible, but I can’t seem to find the thread now and I didn’t fully understand it anyway, so apologies for the repost if it’s already been answered.

We have some products which have a couple of levels of variations such as size and also pack size (qty in the pack).

Using a widget as the example of the master SKU, the variations might look like this:

Size 1 Widget, Pack of 10
Size 1 Widget, Pack of 50
Size 1 Widget, Pack of 100

Size 2 Widget, Pack of 10
Size 2 Widget, Pack of 50
Size 2 Widget, Pack of 100

Size 3 Widget, Pack of 10
Size 3 Widget, Pack of 50
Size 3 Widget, Pack of 100

This I believe can be set up relatively simply. However the problem is the way we deal with the pack sizes. In our warehouse, we actually only stock the 10 packs. If a customer orders the 50 pack, we actually send 5 of the 10 packs.

We have this set up in ESP so that the 50 packs and 100 packs are kits/bundles made up of the 10 packs.

Here’s a screen shot of an actual example from ESP with the product name blocked out (actually includes colour, size and pack size) – http://screencast.com/t/ywS7XghSJq

I’m guessing that this isn’t possible by default, but is it something that there is an extension for, or something you are likely to look finding a solution for?

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Matthew Ogborne

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HI Dave,

Magento can do simple products, configurable products (variations, including multi variations), bundles (kits) and grouped products (a mixture).

What we haven’t found a way of doing yet is making a variation listing, that is made up of bundle products, to do what you’re currently doing above.

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Dave1
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Cheers Matt, think I’m going to skip inventory management on these products and just keep them as a configurable until something better comes up.

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Simon Everett

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Matthew Ogborne said

HI Dave,
Magento can do simple products, configurable products (variations, including multi variations), bundles (kits) and grouped products (a mixture).
What we haven’t found a way of doing yet is making a variation listing, that is made up of bundle products, to do what you’re currently doing above.
Matt

Hi Matt Dave (Mave),
just come here as directed re Bundles and kits.

In this message you say Bundles (kits) are do able as a simple product.
Re my other forum question would the below be possible out of the box as Dave seems to say no.

Simon Everett said

Hi Matt,
I know you talked about having a kiss but…..
Keep It Simple Silly. B-))
You replied on one of the comments on the guides re Kits – Bundles and I would love it to be simple.
Currently we use channelgrabber and I can easily make an item and the turn it into a bundle or kit.

SKU=CATCHARM
SKU=CLIP
New SKU=CAT-CLIP

When someone purchase a single item on ebay or amazon with SKU CAT-CLIP, channelgrabber will reduce the qty of CATCHARM and CLIP by 1 each or whatever qty Ihave to channelgrabber to associate.
Could be pack quantities.
CLIP–1
CLIP–2
CLIP–5
CLIP–10
We only have 1 product to worry about and that’s CLIP–1
If a customer purchases CLIP–10 then CLIP–1 is reduced by 10.

It works nicely BUT is it something that works out the box with magento or are we talking of addons – extensions.
Kind regards Simon

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Matthew Ogborne

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Hi Simon,

Magento can do bundles and they can also do another type of product called grouped products. The “But” here is that the level of complexity with kit products that I am used to (eSellerPro experience here where as we put in complex kit abilities) isn’t in Magento. Also M2E Pro handles a grouped products like a variation product which isn’t want we need And….. there isn’t a easy import option with Magmi to get bundle products in.

Basically this needs me to sit down for a few hours and work out the right path for this, at the moment I’m classing this as secondary to our main task, but I will get to this as I have to get to it for you and several others too.

Hope that helps,

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Simon Everett

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Many thanks Matt and Dave.

Matthew Ogborne said

Hi Simon,

Magento can do bundles and they can also do another type of product called grouped products. The “But” here is that the level of complexity with kit products that I am used to (eSellerPro experience here where as we put in complex kit abilities) isn’t in Magento. Also M2E Pro handles a grouped products like a variation product which isn’t want we need And….. there isn’t a easy import option with Magmi to get bundle products in.

Basically this needs me to sit down for a few hours and work out the right path for this, at the moment I’m classing this as secondary to our main task, but I will get to this as I have to get to it for you and several others too.

Hope that helps,

Matt

chris mcc

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After speaking to several different developers about this exact topic over the last few months, the most realistic price coming from what seems to be a competent development company has been £7,500. Even at that, i am not overly confident i would end up with exactly what i want if i was to shell out. For some reason i find a lot of developers are not really interested in this so i can only assume it’s more complex than it looks. Some feedback i did get is that what ever was built would need constant updating, as it would be relying on information supplied by another 3rd party, in this case M2E. I am not at all qualified to say if what i’ve been told is correct or not however I am really struggling to get any answers on this

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Dave Furness

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January 14, 2014 - 9:27 pm
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£7500!!!

I’m no expert but to me that seems massively overpriced

Surely there is a cheaper option available?

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christopher said

After speaking to several different developers about this exact topic over the last few months, the most realistic price coming from what seems to be a competent development company has been £7,500. Even at that, i am not overly confident i would end up with exactly what i want if i was to shell out. For some reason i find a lot of developers are not really interested in this so i can only assume it’s more complex than it looks. Some feedback i did get is that what ever was built would need constant updating, as it would be relying on information supplied by another 3rd party, in this case M2E. I am not at all qualified to say if what i’ve been told is correct or not however I am really struggling to get any answers on this

The way it would work (in my head) would be that M2E shouldn’t be relied on at all. It would simply pass which product had sold, along with the qty in the was it does currently. M2E Pro could be “dumb” in that it doesn’t need to know anything about the product.
Magento should do the rest. In my (non-developer) mind, I would have thought it would be relatively simple. Instead of having a database entry for the qty, it just refers it to the qty of another item and multiplies it by the amount specified by the user. (Or in Simons Everett’s case 2 items specified by the user)

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I might have not thought it through fully, but if there is code to allow Configurable Products to be made up of Bundles (rather than Simples) then this might well do it.

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Matthew Ogborne

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Howdy All,

7.5K thats not even funny.

The key to this as Dave has suggested is that let Magento do what Magento needs to do and keep M2E Pro separate.

M2E Pro can take a customised stock level value from a Magento attribute, not just “Product QTY”. This is how the Boost My Shop Magento ERP extension gets around their customised stock management system and still allows M2E Pro to work with it.

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chris mcc

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And this is where the problem lies, all the programmers i’ve spoke to are all saying different things. I’m getting fed up repeating myself in endless discussions only to be told it can’t be done or going to cost the earth. It seemed straight forward in my head as well but from experience we should all no this will not be the case. Let me know when any one is keen to take this forward, I’m ready yesterday as i can’t handle much more manual stock updates, cheers

Chris

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One of the main problems if i remember correct was not breaking down the SKU and reducing the stock as in the example above, that seemed fairly easy. It was updating the stock in Magento, to update ebay/Amazon/etc which was going to cause the problem. Again I don’t know enough about it to say for sure

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Think there is a setting in M2E Pro which tracks database changes. So if changes aren’t made manually (and are done directly to the database by a script) then M2E Pro should pick up on it. Whether it’s as simple as that when it comes down to actually programming it is a different matter, but if M2E pro can track changes in the database then it shouldn’t matter how those changes were made I wouldn’t have thought. The key would be to keep M2E Pro out of the equation.

Having said that I’m not a developer, I probably have just enough knowledge to make me dangerous…

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Matthew Ogborne

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Howdy Dave,

Yea we’d want to keep the less amount of reliance upon any extension out side of what we want it to do, as we can’t control those.

I will look at the actual options this weekend and find out where the line is drawn on what is possible and what is not and be back to you.

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