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Jamie Egan

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March 11, 2015 - 1:06 pm
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Hi All,

I’m looking for a drop ship solution for Magento. Not sure if I should be going down the pre-made extension route or if I should get some custom development done. I need the following:

– I have 3 suppliers that sell the same products so need to be able to drop ship from each supplier for each product.
– I need to be able to set criteria for when a certain supplier should be chosen.
– I will also be shipping some products from my own warehouse.
– The suppliers have different interface methods (SOAP & CSV via FTP), must be able to handle this.
– I need to be able to import stock levels and cost prices from each supplier, these vary daily.
– The system should submit the drop ship orders via the relevant interface method to the supplier and deal with the response, updating the order as relevant.

Quite a lot of things I know but surely similar to anyone else running drop ship. Can anyone recommend a Magento extension that would be able to achieve that? Failing that can anyone recommend a developer that won’t charge the Earth for doing the work?

Thanks,
Jamie

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Dave Furness

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March 11, 2015 - 10:46 pm
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Hi Jamie,

I haven’t come across an extension that does this yet, but that doesn’t mean one doesnt exist…if it did/does it would most likely be the ‘Daddy’ of all drop shipping extensions.

Im also interested to hear if anyone has any recommendations for what Jamie is looking for above.

Dave

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Jamie Egan

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March 11, 2015 - 10:48 pm
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Hi Dave,

I agree, it would beat anything I’ve seen out there so far.

There must be retailers, especially in car parts, that have some pretty sophisticated drop ship requirements.

I’m surprised I can’t find anything off the shelf to do this.

Can you recommend any developers?

Thanks,
Jamie

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Dave Furness

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March 11, 2015 - 11:25 pm
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Matt would be the one to ask regarding dev’s but something like this would be pretty complex and probably nit cheap due to the amount of hours …

Im wondering if @Richard Meldner might be able to share some ideas on this one.

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Richard Meldner
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March 12, 2015 - 12:18 am
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In the US, there is an out of the box “2nd Gen” solution that is integrated with several major automotive distributors.

http://orderpigeon.com/

I know of no one that uses it but I know that CA is pushing it, so I assume it is just another service they push on their clients so it must at least work….

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Jim @ Moogento
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March 12, 2015 - 4:52 am
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Jamie, curious what kind of criteria you’d use to choose between the suppliers? Would it be a daily comparison of each supplier, and then one supplier ‘wins’ for that specific product all day? Or more of a ‘which one is closest’?

We have the ability to import stock in stockEasy, via remote CSV or FTP. We could conceivably add in some logic to have a ‘best one wins’ on a daily basis with some simple rules (eg. price). Could also conceivably add a SOAP method to the ‘pull product list’ options.

You could submit orders via the stockEasy stock-notify csv, or via the pickPack automated email, but not sure how you’d deal with responses. That sounds quite tricky. I guess that would be separate code to connect to another remote csv/etc and pull order ids and statuses, updating the same order ids on your end.

I’m not sure how you’d tie that together with in-stock remote qty, eg. if one warehouse has only 1 item and you have an order for 2, etc.

But, it sounds interesting, it’d be interesting to hear what kind of rules you’re thinking of for selecting warehouses etc.

  • pickPack - smarter Magento packing sheets and warehouse picklists
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Jamie Egan

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March 12, 2015 - 4:02 pm
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Thanks Richard, Order Pidgeon looks pretty interesting. It’s not cheap but it’s actually reasonable given what it claims to do.

Jim, the criteria initially is just going to be whichever supplier is cheapest, down the line we might need to add some complexity and make it dependent on where the order is going as the suppliers are at opposite ends of the country. Would it be worthwhile me email you through some more information on what I’m trying to achieve?

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Jim @ Moogento
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Jamie Egan said
Jim, the criteria initially is just going to be whichever supplier is cheapest, down the line we might need to add some complexity and make it dependent on where the order is going as the suppliers are at opposite ends of the country. Would it be worthwhile me email you through some more information on what I’m trying to achieve?

Sure, please do.

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Jamie Egan

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March 16, 2015 - 5:36 pm
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Jim, just sent some info through via the contact form on your website.

Jamie

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March 16, 2015 - 7:22 pm
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Hi have drop ship setup in PC components, was fully customized for me on magento. I have automated stock and price feeds keeping everything up to date, also have XML order feed that sends automated orders to my supplier. I used a developer on people per hour called Tig. He’s UK based and I highly reccomend him. He’s done few projects for me and I rate him 100%

Jamie Egan

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March 16, 2015 - 7:30 pm
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Thanks for the recommendation, I did a quick search and there are a few web developers called Tig on People Per Hour, do you have a link to his page?

Would you mind if I asked roughly how much you had to pay for the work?

Alex Cadalso

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April 3, 2015 - 8:55 pm
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Hi Jamie —

I’m on my second iteration of a dropship store and I’ll share some of my experiences with you.

Dealing with fully custom extensions is expensive and fraught with disaster including but not limited to: cost over run, selecting the wrong developer, cross-extension compatibility issues and more. For a client I purchased 2 separate extensions to deal with some of the issues you describe. I purchased one extension for $575 it didn’t work, the developers didn’t support it and mocked me via support — I’ll look them up and post their name so you don’t make the same mistake. Other products didn’t work, or weren’t enough, etc.

Finally I found some extensions that were close but not enough and I talked to the owner/lead developer and she said they would help and offer it more or less for free because they were solutions other people needed, too. I purchased the extension and the low level support and she turned an unhappy customer into someone that wasn’t nagging me. That company was WebShopApps and I can’t recommend Karen over at webshopapps.com enough.

I posted another topic regarding advanced product management and someone said a lot of what I was asking was akin to trade secrets which makes so much sense to me now why I can’t find answers I’ve been struggling toward for years. I know some of the work Karen did for me on my last project made it into some new extensions and existing extensions and by sharing our resources we can compete with the bigger businesses who can afford to pay whomever, whatever to get it done where as us SMB guys have to learn to do it ourselves out of necessity.

Her and the team are about to release ShipperHQ.com which is a SaaS solution for all of your shipping needs that is feature rich and basically includes all of their extensions and more. I know a lot of people on this forum are averse to recurring billing solutions and for good reason: why pay more when you don’t have to? I want my software on a one-time fee, too, but I’ve realized now what I actually need is support. A company that is going to be around and continually make the products they have better and new products, too. Knowing some of these people as I do now, I want to support their business because their software returns its value so many times over the cost is trivial, if not laughable. Thank them monthly with your payment.

Karen, WebShopApps, and I know ShipperHQ are all quality and can help you. What’s your timetable on this project? I had a Skype demo with Karen last week and we seriously covered every topic you listed here (I’ll share some insight below). I can ask her how to proceed and she might want to tackle the projects simultaneously.

I have 3 suppliers that sell the same products so need to be able to drop ship from each supplier for each product.
I need to be able to set criteria for when a certain supplier should be chosen.

Easily done. We should probably tie-in with the warehousing system to address stock quantities, etc. The problem is that you are going to have SO MANY rules. I don’t know what yours are, but I know mine are numerous because each ‘but . . . ‘ is a rule. By far the best feature of ShipperHQ so far was her ‘Rules’ section which combines a lot of the existing extensions like Product Matrix to make a more powerful and complete solution.

I will also be shipping some products from my own warehouse.

Would apply to rules above. Would most likely be an ‘overrride’ rule of when to use your own warehouse.

The suppliers have different interface methods (SOAP & CSV via FTP), must be able to handle this
The system should submit the drop ship orders via the relevant interface method to the supplier and deal with the response, updating the order as relevant.

This was the custom part I was being charged development for. She mentioned that other people might want this, I told her they would so perhaps 2 people at once would be enough to build into ShipperHQ. The processes above are basically one and the same. You should know that suppliers don’t have time to trifle with small orders beyond shipping them quickly (most anyways), so I’m not sure what you expect from a two way link. I think you can / should deal with any customer issues at once yourself and then deal with the supplier with all customer related issues at one time. YMMV

I need to be able to import stock levels and cost prices from each supplier, these vary daily.

This was going to be done via separate extension listed on her page from Blue Jalappeno.

TL;DR Get together a fully detailed bidsheet and I will pass it along to Karen and talk to her one more time before the job starts if you are interested in some sort of mutual solution. What she recommended to me was that I buy whichever of her extensions I needed (yours will vary based on your particular needs) and that she would make some patches so that I had what I needed for operation now and we would migrate over to ShipperHQ as needed.

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Jim @ Moogento
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Alex Cadalso said
I have 3 suppliers that sell the same products so need to be able to drop ship from each supplier for each product.
I need to be able to set criteria for when a certain supplier should be chosen.

Hi Alex, I’m interested with what criteria you’d have for making that choice?

  • pickPack - smarter Magento packing sheets and warehouse picklists
  • shipEasy - process multiple orders with no sweat & get a visual sales overview easily

Alex Cadalso

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Jim @ Moogento said

Hi Alex, I’m interested with what criteria you’d have for making that choice?

Most (all) of the drop ship extension add additional warehouses and functionality to the stocking module — most also factor in location of the warehouse and shipping destination in their logic. Most (all) of the shipping logistics solutions consider some or all of the following parameters: stock quantity, closest warehouse, or price.

For example:

I may want to ALWAYS ship a product if I stock it in my limited warehouse. Or I may want to ship that product from the nearest warehouse IF price is not greater THAN my price + 10%. Or I may want to always ship it from the CHEAPEST supplier. Usually it’s some combination of these.

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Jim @ Moogento
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Thanks Alex, I hadn’t considered allowing a cost % leeway for a win for your own warehouse. You’re basically saying with that rule that you’d value faster delivery at 10% of the product price. This would be an interesting thing to consider when thinking about the cost of stock depreciation in your own warehouse, and the extra cost of purchasing from an external supplier (eg. payment transfer costs, invoicing/accounting costs). I wonder if there would be a way to work out the stock depreciation to make that % leeway automated on a per-product basis. Eg. an item which never sells (has sat in your warehouse for 10 years) would always get shipped from yours, but something which flies out the door could have a smaller % leeway.

  • pickPack - smarter Magento packing sheets and warehouse picklists
  • shipEasy - process multiple orders with no sweat & get a visual sales overview easily

MikeL
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April 19, 2015 - 9:55 pm
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Has anyone checked out Dropship360?
http://www.magentocommerce.com…..ip360.html

Mike

 

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