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Dave1
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June 30, 2017 - 1:24 pm
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Just to say I’m still stuck on this an Ian has summed it up perfectly. Exactly the same problem as me.

My currently solution is to put these products at 9999 stock and then when I get low I kinda wing it and do manual updates on the stock. Far from ideal and prevents me listing loads of cool bundle ideas I have.

Along with pack sizes (which is my main issue) it means you can’t create helpful bundles in a configurable. For example, you could have these bundles below in individual listings:

Camera and basic bag
Camera and High quality bag

The inventory works perfectly but you cannot put them together in a configurable listing in ebay which would make more sense and encourages extra sales. (customer goes to bag listing and has 3 options: no bag, basic bag and HQ bag)

Dave1
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Don’t thi

John Peden said
Thanks for the response Ian. Would this work?

Within Magento

Display variable pricing in the item description and allow the customer to order X widgets via an input? Magento could then calculate the price of their order dynamically and allow them to add X widgets to their basket as a single item, with the quantity field correctly populated and the price of each item adjusted accordingly.

Using M2E Pro

You no longer need to bundle your products as the user can specify the exact number they’d like. The product is imported into eBay and the user can specify as many as they’d like when they order (assume eBay can handle variable pricing as well).  

Don’t think that would would work. Although the customer can buy 5 packs, the price would just be 5 times the 1 pack price. You’d normally want to offer a discount on bigger pack sizes

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John Peden

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Dave1 said
Although the customer can buy 5 packs, the price would just be 5 times the 1 pack price. You’d normally want to offer a discount on bigger pack sizes

But I believe I could build an extension to handle dynamic pricing for different order sizes :)

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Dave1 said
Along with pack sizes (which is my main issue) it means you can’t create helpful bundles in a configurable. For example, you could have these bundles below in individual listings:

Camera and basic bag
Camera and High quality bag

The inventory works perfectly but you cannot put them together in a configurable listing in ebay which would make more sense and encourages extra sales. (customer goes to bag listing and has 3 options: no bag, basic bag and HQ bag)  

Sorry for my ignorance Dave but help me understand your issue here:

I understand that inventory management works perfectly but then when the customer hits eBay you don’t have the bundle listed as a configurable product so they are unable to choose camera X with no bag, basic bag or high-quality bag. Is that correct?

Dave1
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But I believe I could build an extension to handle dynamic pricing for different order sizes :)

That would be great, although you’d (I think!) need it to be able to interact with M2EPro so that different variations work on eBay. Getting it to work in Magento is one thing, but in eBay it would need to be set up as a variation listing as eBay doesn’t support discounts on larger quantities – or at least I don’t think it does. If you buy qty 100 then it just charges you the price * 100

I understand that inventory management works perfectly but then when the customer hits eBay you don’t have the bundle listed as a configurable product so they are unable to choose camera X with no bag, basic bag or high-quality bag. Is that correct?

Inventory management works as it should for bundles but you can’t then use one of those bundles in a configurable product within magento. This in turn means you can’t create a variation listing in ebay. eg.

You have have simple products

Camera
Budget bag
Hi quality bag

You can create 3 products from this:

Camera (the original simple product)
Camera + budget bag (bundle)
Camera + HQ bag (bundle)

(you could alsoi have the bags listed on their own and together, and all 3 together but assuming you want the camera included in all options)

You then SHOULD be able to create configurable product based on the above 3. So a customer goes to the product (in magento or on eBay) and can have the choice, via a dropdown, of:

Camera
Camera + budget bag
Camera + HQ bag

The problem is that when you try to create a configurable product in Magento, it won’t let you add the bundles as part of that configurable. You can only add simple products.

Thus you are forced to make “Camera + budget bag” and “Camera + HQ bag” as simple products. This gets it listed but then your inventory is out (if you run out of budget bags for instance, your “Camera + budget bag” listing still shows stock

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John Peden

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I believe you’re correct on eBay not allowing quantity-based discounts so that takes us back to your solution.

I’ll get my team onto this shortly and see what we can come up with regarding price.

Dave1
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Was thinking of this over the weekend and there is another possible solution that might be easier to code. Although I’m no coder so maybe it’s not that hard anyway, perhaps it’s just a few lines of code to allow bundles to be added, or perhaps they are not allowed for very good complex reasons.

Anyway, if it looks too difficult then maybe instead of allowing bundles to be part of configurables, then maybe it would be worth making the qty on simple products be dependant on other products.

So as well as the normal qty box, perhaps have a button/tick box which greys out the qty box and doesn’t allow entry (lets call this the “kit” button for now) Instead it give you the option to specify other SKUs, and for each of those SKUs it allows you to specify how many make up the qty,

For example, your normal simple products are:

Camera
Spare battery

You want to create a new product which is 1 x camera and 2 x battery

So you create a new simple product and click the kit button. The qty greys out. You then specify:
Camera – qty 1
Battery – qty 2

If you have 10 cameras in stock and 500 batterys then the new kit item will show 10 qty

If you have 10 cameras and 19 batteries then the new kit will show 9 qty. (as it will run out of batteries before it’s made the 20th kit)

Suspect the above would be relatively easy in comparison to fitting bundles into configurables??

Edited to add: Maybe not as simple as I first thought. As when you sell your “camera with 2 batteries” you’d need the qty of the camera to reduce by 1 and the qty of the batteries to reduce by 2. Not sure if that complicates it a lot. Anyway, was just an idea of another way around it.

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John Peden

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Thanks for getting back to me Dave1.

Moderator Dave had pointed out to me that he thought this was a major issue for quite a lot of vendors and had been for some time. I have no doubt that my team can put something together to solve the issue and alternative solutions like this might mean we can get something launched more quickly or more cheaply.

Out of interest, do you know anyone else (outside of this thread) who would benefit from the solution?

Dave1
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No worries, not sure of anyone else to be honest but I don’t visit these or any other forums too often. Pretty sure there are plenty of others out there – if not then there are a lot of people who are underestimating the value of product bundles!

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John Peden

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OK, the bad news is this is as complicated as people believe it to be.

So, you guys need configurable products, merged into bundled products so that the configurable product is the parent product and each child is a bundled product.

The goal here is to improve stock management but my devs believe this end goal could be achieved by using advanced custom options with stock levels or by ‘linking the custom option with a specific product’ (I’m not a Magento expert so didn’t fully grasp this). Either way, both options will work out of the box with M2Epro synchronization.

Here’s why this is so complicated:

This setup carries a considerable amount of complexity as there are many permutations to this setup e.g. a configurable product with more than 3 yes/no options and a bundled product of 3 optional items creates 30 different product options (2 choices from 6 options = 6!/(6!-2!) = 30)

The solution also needs to be comptible with M2EPro which increases complexity even further. We will need to dig into the source code of M2EPro to properly push the combination of products to eBay (and Amazon).

My offers:

While I can see that there might be a demand for this extension, I’m wondering if the end goal of improved stock control could be achieved in the way my dev team describes?

If not, I’m happy to put any of you in touch with them directly to get a dollar value on this quote – I asked them not to spend too much time on it – so you can get an idea of costs involved without any markup from me on them.

The only other alternative is that you help me crowdfund the development of this extension. Let’s say it cost me $5000 to develop and then $2500/yr to support it (and develop it further). I’d be more than happy to develop it if we could get 20 people to pay $50/month to use such a service.

Would any of these options work for you guys?

Dave1
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The goal here is to improve stock management but my devs believe this end goal could be achieved by using advanced custom options with stock levels or by ‘linking the custom option with a specific product’ (I’m not a Magento expert so didn’t fully grasp this). Either way, both options will work out of the box with M2Epro synchronization.

I’m not sure I understand this myself either to be honest, but if it’s possible to achieve it out of the box then this is far preferable to an extension. Aside from the cost it avoids many of the headaches related to extension updates. I’m snowed under at the moment but at some point I’ll set up some test listings and play around with the settings to see if it’s possible. I have a feeling that M2E Pro supports bundles being listed as variations. ie. you create a bundle and M2E Pro creates a variation listing on eBay. But I’ve never used this and it doesn’t really answer how you have a bundle within a variation still. It just seems like another way of listing variations products (and one which doesn’t make as much logical sense as configurables)

Ian Young

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July 15, 2017 - 12:02 am
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Thanks for your continued interest John, and for your comments Dave. The camera bundling examples Dave gave are another good reason to have this functionality.

I have not used Custom Options at all so I’ll need to learn about them. In a quick Google I found an extension called Magento Advanced Custom Options by Mageworx. It mentions Customs Option Inventory control and some other potentially interesting features. Not sure if this is what the devs were referring to? I’ll have to do some more reading to see if this is actually relevant to our discussion. Bit snowed under at the moment as well but I’m keen to find a solution and so will have a look when I get a chance.

Failing any ‘out of the box’ solution, I would definitely be interested in a crowd funding option. I’m a small company and so $50/month would be on the upper end of what I could currently afford. But the value of this functionally is real and so it would be worth my while (and I’m sure many others) to contribute towards a solution.

Cheers,

Ian

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